Maho CNC Conversion: THE MOVIE!!

This Old Tony

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    Get that popcorn ready because It's finally here!
    The Maho milling machine conversion all the kids are talking about!
    Watch the whole thing... or... skip to the section you're interested in:
    00:00 video starts here
    00:51 video REALLY starts here
    02:31 axis conversion overview
    08:20 converted performance (rapids & speeds)
    10:56 machine health & general inspection (geometric)
    16:08 new CNC control add-ons
    17:40 3-axis MPG
    19:18 electronic tool setter
    21:13 control/electrical cabinet (drives, VFD, hydraulics, oiler, relays, etc.)
    23:40 servo drives wiring & I/O
    24:45 AC Servos & Drives (Leadshine)
    26:16 EtherCAT AC servo pricing & kits
    27:22 Element-CNC industrial control PC
    27:36 KINGSTAR realtime motion control
    30:32 Open-Loop vs Closed-Loop for dummies, by dummies
    34:34 Servo Tuning for dummies, by dummies
    48:00 the end?
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    Music used in this video:
    Bolereando - Quincas Moreira

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    KOMMENTARE

    1. adcurtin

      Love the 3 axis MPG. almost certainly going to make one for myself.

    2. ajhatti2011

      Your freaking cut-away visuals are the best freaking part of these videos. The subtlety and humor is fantastic.

    3. ajhatti2011

      Well if my lathe breaks down I know who to call. Lemme know if you have a transmission go out in your truck.

    4. Nicolas Audouard

      your Y nut is missing balls

    5. David Lewis

      When Tony first started this project (and I know nothing about any of this) I thought, “Oh cool”. And then, months later, I was like, “whatever happened to that Maho project?” Holy moly, now I see why. Way more complicated than it looks. What a project.

    6. Danny THE Dog

      Pure overindulgance in precision cutting makes me high. So i must buy a mill, my Lord.

    7. NUMB SKULL

      Oh boy!!!! TOYS!!!!!

    8. guerilla2013

      I love the subtle dad jokes!

    9. Max Headroom

      so what was causing the bearing noise? did not see you fix it.

    10. Cristian Sánchez Furió

      "Feel free to skip if you want" OF COURSE I will skip several times. But BACKWARDS. There are some jokes so good I love listening to them several times. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 BEST. CHANNEL. EVER. ❤️❤️❤️

    11. johnym89

      I have an idea for the problem you are running with the Y axis. The ball thread has one slide to the side of it (the whole slide of the head), causing it to bend in one direction thus being super unhealthy for these bearings. How about putting an extra bearing in a strong housing that is set to take on these forces? Or better yet give it a 'second slide' that Will counter the pull from the Main y axis slide.

    12. kirkdis

      The Maho green is called machinery green in Germany and the color code is RAL6011 not RAWR! ;-)

    13. Ennar

      Those of us who have never been to a football field can't imagine it

    14. Beach Road

      Ok........great video......as usual!!! Ok......and i m not to smart..........b u t.......WHAT THE HECK DOES ......MAHO.....stand for..??????

    15. Konnichiwasup

      I didn't even realise it was a 48 minute video lol watched from start to finish and enjoyed every bit.

    16. Mike H

      Tony, do you know what max RPM you have seen from these servos? Do you ever get close to the 3000rpm limit for the ones you have?

    17. suyog sangle

      ❤️ from India 🇮🇳

    18. Nathan Quinlan

      Servos to the ribcage help with safety. Dangerous workspaces need bruising agents to remind you to watch yourself.

    19. Man Putty

      Please do a gas spring video that would be amazing.

    20. Spencer Callahan

      I still fondly remember the FANUC servo-tuning "blip" sound from my days working on CNC machines. Also, I now happily spend my days no longer working on CNC machines.

    21. MAKGA

      Does she still speak with a German accent?

    22. Daniel Lopez

      Super Awesomeness again, as Always!!

    23. Justin

      I'd buy the Maho OnlyFans

    24. diggerman19

      !

    25. Grey Paladin

      Might want to add some movement locking switches or some sort of "dead-man" type switch to the MPG cube. I'm sure it's mostly fine, but I'd be worried if any freak vibrations on the table causing an MPG to move when it shouldn't. Or worse; something goes wrong and the cube is knocked off of the table, it hits the floor, the mpgs spin and send all the axes in random directions, your work is ruined, your tool explodes, the spindle is slammed into your vice and bends, and worse; you have to bring your router back while you spend a few months fixing the Maho.

    26. Robin Forslund

      The difference in surface finish is most likley because one of the sides is climb milling (nice side) and The other side is conventional milling. I suspect it wont go away compleatly, unfortuneatly.

    27. Calum Mackay

      Industrial electrician sees this and is beyond extremely impressed. Same guy looks at that panel and is utterly horrified! Get it sorted out man! Great channel definitely subscribing, just promise never to show me in there again!

    28. Roger Barraud

      19:00 So are you going to add haptic feedback for the machine loads? Then it would really feel like manual jogging...

    29. TrumanHW

      Tram (apparently) is the parallelism within the x-axis. But NOD is the parallelism within the y-axis.

    30. Attractspsychos

      From start to finish, how long did it take to make this video?

    31. Mihkel

      That ballnut replacement @5:18... Is it me or the crunchy sound also matches up with the metal wire harness grinding against the plastic tube rings... There is also a solid ground groove from the contact grind in the plastic tube...

    32. Attractspsychos

      I would never think to skip around on your videos.

    33. SimoX04_ YT

      Man the strange ticking you were hearing at the start of the video were the two pipes sliding one over the other, around 5:25, look right

    34. Ken Russ

      Very, VERY informative! Thanks TOT for having taken what is surely a TON of time to put this all together.

    35. Castloader

      Tony, you had me chuckling all through this. Keep up the humor, it makes learning about machining so enjoyable. Cheers!

    36. Eragon Power

      I think that the crunching noise on the Y axis ball screw nut is caused by a misalignment, it makes that sound only when the bearing block is going towards the machine, that causes to bend even more and to destroy the ball screw nut

    37. CheeseGuru101

      You’ve gotta be careful when working with dehydrated steel. A mate of mine didn’t have his coolant mix right and the piece expanded by 20x, he hasn’t been the same since

    38. Systems Planet

      That machine sounds as bad as I feel

    39. JD

      Why a Mach based controller and not a commercial controller and software?

    40. David Marcus

      "...but it can become a rabbit hole if you keep thinkin' you could just get a little bit better." Truer words never spoken!

    41. yeah nah yeah

      11:35 had me in a fit of laughter hahahaha

      1. yeah nah yeah

        Scratch that the whole lot did hahaha

    42. Way's Coatings

      This Old Tony relly blows my mind! Where are you based out of?

      1. Way's Coatings

        Just a heads up I was a machine builder for American Broach and built alot fof the CNC Broach Sharpeners and I might have some insight for your ball screw problems too. We need to Colab !!

    43. Keith Monarch

      Tony, I have been enjoying your various machine projects. And do a nice job explaining/how-do. This might be the first time I popped 😳 a comment. If you're interested, for some good add on's to automate, for your machinery. Have you ever heard of Direct Automation 🤔. Check out this company. One day, we should chat together.

    44. Gary Stewart

      What did i just watch I'm sure it was some guy talking about a big green machine that does some sort of wizardry with metal

    45. Tony_in_PA

      I love me some long format Tony.

    46. CenturionPlays

      Don't worry Tony. I watched the whole video. I even rewatched some of it because i kept getting distracted.

    47. William T. Musil

      Hiya

    48. Greg Ranbo

      Don't worry about dove tail ways unless you have to hold .001 tolerances I operated a nc bridge port in the 70s with dove tail ways. no big deal Since then I operated and maintained 14 different cnc's . 13 had box ways, and I could hold .00005 tolerance on grade 2 titanium on a Takasawa lathe . We had Mazak mills and Lathes and Yams too.The only machine with ball ways was a Swedish drill press with 54 x 72 in travel. Are you Canadian because you work in metric? I still have not changed over. The ball screw clicking could be that you do not have double ball nuts face to face preloaded apart. This eliminates any backlash and some ball nuts takes one directional load only. The ball screws were anchored at each end with double angle contact bearings . to keep the screw from flexing. We would take 2in thick 304l stainless plate clamp it on two inche copper parallels so it would not slip also to allow for the chips to clear the cut.Chips and heat are your enemy! Drill a 1in hole thru the plate and use a 1 dia x 2.25 in corncob end mill all the way thru the plate . 200 rpm and 2in of feed full depth to make this plate into a doughnut shape. Did this for 39 years. Corn cob cutters are the best,1st rule of milling always climb cut, 2nd rule of milling always climb cut, 3rd rule of milling never conventional cut Use double ball nuts face to face preloaded and double angle contact bearings at both ends of lead screw. Have a good day.

    49. John Scott

      Where did you get those gas shocks? Need a pair for my 100 year old mill. The table weighs around 500 lbs at least. Needs help going up. Have to buy a 2hp motor just to move it. Got a car steering wheel on it now. The base the table rides on is huge. The table 32inch and can move 38 inch left or right because of the huge base it's on. And no the ways aren't over tightened.

    50. RedFathom

      connector is a dbhd44. better than a db13w3 i guess.

    51. caphenning

      The cause of the .0001 drop is what is causing your Y axis to chew up.

    52. Paul Kepner

      Hey Tony, what camera or cameras do you use to record your videos?

    53. Aaron Westbrook

      Hey Tony, it almost looks like the y-axis crunch sound is being caused by those two hoses rubbing together! Just a thought!

    54. مصطفى اللجي

      Good job you can make an Chuck

    55. Drimaropoylos Ioannis

      Hi Old Tony, when you cutting a cycle cw the mill behaves like conversational milling because the left side cuts more material, and when cut a cycle ccw the mill is behave like climb milling because the right side cuts more material, I thing this is the reason you see different finish in the s type groove

    56. Eduardo Rojas

      @ThisOldTony I'm not sure if you were joking, but at 5:23 you can see there is a tube rubbing against another in the back, making the crunching sounds you mentioned

    57. delmar93

      love this.

    58. TheDarmach

      While printing cases for the buttons you could create embossed names/descriptions for the buttons on the 3D model :)

    59. Fugly Joe

      I watched this in two sittings...

    60. Captain Mother

      Can't help but notice those Chinese Leadshine ELP-750 Ethercat drives are already gone or hard to get.

      1. John Anderson

        It's hard to tell with Chinese knock-off EtherCat stuff...I've heard good things (cheap) and horror stories (had to replace after a few months, weird firmware bugs, motor bearing failures etc.). I'm sure Tony will tell us if it's breaking down over time. It's always suspicious when you see this stuff being hawked on eBay, AliExpress, etc. Hopefully it will all work great for him. Thanks for nice video!!

    61. David Wells

      Weren't you having issues with the y axis essentially right after you got it? Could there be a underlying issue with the u axis that's causing the ball nut to break?

    62. RazielTheBoo

      Honestly Tony, hearing you find your voice, grow more comfortable in your videos, and learning so much from you, has been awesome. :D

    63. Brett Spillman

      Fantastic video. A bit more on servos.. Not all of them have batteries. The reason that servo has a battery is because it has an absolute encoder (this is how it can "remember" its position through a powercycle.) Some servos, like Allen-Bradley servos, use an incremental encoder but rely on the controller to maintain reference. In the machinery I work with on a daily basis, German paper converting equipment, there are many servo-driven elements. Since they're using incremental encoders, we have reference sensors on particular parts of the machine that the controller uses to "home" an axis. I've recently started watching your videos regularly and I'm really impressed with the amount of information you're relaying to the audience. I've learned a ton from you and I really appreciate the content. I've decided it's time to get a mill myself and stop using the ones at work for home projects. Originally, I wanted to get a CNC mill but the more I watch your videos and a few others on DEfasts, I think I'd be better off getting a manual mill and adding CNC capability. This video may very well have catalyzed that idea. Thanks again for the great information and the laughs!

    64. Demian Marcath

      those are tapered gibs your y axis has there those can tighten up under motion if they have some play. now they should have either one screw pushing on either side which is a system that pretty much eliminates play in the gib but most of the time, for ease of use, they have one screw that fits into a groove to push the gib in and out ant if some part of that is worn the gib has some play to tighten up under load and screw up a ball screw in one way only

      1. Demian Marcath

        gliding ways can also work in rapid back and forth motion pretty well if they're lubricated enough, which they likely are in this case. still, scraping the ways can go a long way in keeping the oil on the ways under rapid motion. don't worry about the geometry, it should be finde the way it is and just a few crossing scrapes every half an inch is enough for those chonky guideways

    65. Hugh Frater

      Tony, do you know if your motion control system is driving those servo drives with step/direction or in torque mode with 0-10v inputs for speed and torque?

    66. Hugh Frater

      Those leadshine servos are tiny - amazing. I've a ton of experience with the Lichuan ones, they're fantastic value, I think we pay around $250 for a 750w drive and motor package.

    67. ckid slag

      11:35 When you got to tell your folks some bad news.

    68. Stephen Ferrell

      Question, has MAHO called and asked for their machine back? :)

    69. BullofMagTime 3D

      5:21, If you pay close attention, you will see the sleaf ripple against the hydraulic-line... just saying

    70. KillerkoUK

      Did I just watch a 48 minutes long video about some cnc machine?

    71. crazzo PL

      Hey Tonny! Isn't that weird sound in 5:37 a sound of a steel thingy rubbing on white plastic thingy?

    72. desert_jin

      My mechanic training is nearly a decade old, I am not good at electrics and useless with electronics, yet I've enjoyed the whole thing (though my two braincells went "nope!" for the electronic part) !

    73. dcw56

      I sure miss This Old Tony. Nice that the new CNC guy kept the same hands and voice, though....

    74. i992dc

      THIS OLD IS THIS OLD TONY I FELL IN 🖤 WITH! welcome back misterMR

    75. Joe Donohue

      do you want your conduit wire opening to fill with chips? Cover them up....

    76. Keith’s Garage

      So who are the two others that made it to the end?(; I love these longer videos there just so packed right to the tippy top with information. And it’s the good stuff too, not like the crap you see on the news.

    77. Tim Piggott

      That was incredible Tony. I have no idea what you're talking about and yet I enjoyed every minute. I have attempted to watch "gone with the wind" (oh Ashley, oh Ashley) a couple of times but given up before the end! Not with this video! I am the 4th person to watch it all. I even think I could fool someone into thinking I know the difference between savoury and fruit loops! Thank you for making me a better person 💝😘

    78. Pete DiCapua

      This old Tony. Try an Igus ball screw instead. No crunch and cheap and tough

    79. stewartfrye

      Maho, Maho man, i'd like to be a Maho man. I guess the guy in leather was German?

    80. Tomoko's Enterprize

      WOW, I'm with Ron Covell, , , ALL IN ONE BREATH, Amazing.

    81. Cameron

      5:40 Do you think that ah perhaps the crunch sound is coming from those two ribbed pipes rubbing together in the background?

    82. Richard Markham

      Epic videos on this conversion Tony! So, if you here back at square one, would you do it again? (Ignoring all the lovely content you've created at the same time) Is buying an old CNC Bridgeport a better starting place?

      1. This Old Tony

        right now? no. in a few years? prolly. 😁

    83. Ricks Roadies

      "Green Mile", love it!

    84. Garrett Carlson

      "Why do I watch these videos? I HATE machining!!" Also me- hey look a new TOT video.

    85. Casey Roman

      Personally, I'd change out the gravel in the " Y" ballscrew. I tend to like smooth river pebbles over crushed granite.

    86. Logan M P E

      Boy those overhead shots are hard on the vertigo!

    87. Tom Jacobs

      I don't know anything about machining, milling, cnc, turning what have you at all. Barely have a concept of what those terms even mean. I guess its either Tony's style of presentation or me being a masochist that not only had me sitting through the entire video but even put my automatic porn downloader on pause for 48 mins.

    88. ROBRENZ

      A 48 minute video is not long. There is some idiot on YT doing 90 minute videos and not even apologizing, rediculous! Great video Tony as always! ATB, Robin

      1. This Old Tony

        90 minutes?! the nerve of some people! 😉😘

    89. Neodimium

      The color is RAL6011.

    90. Kurt Stedman

      The paper trick is still the best for 3D printing! Automatic bed leveling is kinda meh.

    91. Bottle Of Fries

      A bit of pointless trivia here: The "RAL" in all the color codes (like RAL6011) is also German for "Reichs-Ausschuss für Lieferbedingungen", which loosely translates to "Imperial Committee on Production Standards". It goes back to mid-1920s Germany.

    92. Bears Rod Shop

      The wiring of the control box is a piece of art!!! I liked GG's comment too!! Same answer I gave my bride this Saturday when I took her a long to pick up a LeBlond 17 and a Ru-Fu mill that camewith power X & DRO for x-y-z,,,Retirement Dear,,,,(Wife) But you retired 6 years,,,when are Really Going to Retire

    93. owl3764

      lol, I guess more than three of us stuck it out. I never got to work on CNC lathes, my boss's father was an expert at the factory across the road though (always envied him a little for that), though they were from a different era. That switchboard... that's the sort of thing I could see myself ripping out and replacing with something beautiful to look at. Great video, I've been meaning to come back here for a long while but YT has been a little messed up for me after the one of many reformat's.

    94. Ryan Box

      24:11 that scared the shit out of me, i heard it and immediately looked around wondering what was going on then got up to run to my printer to see if it just decided to die on me

    95. Hopingforthebest expectingtheworst

      In my research 9.5/10 dentist recommend watching the whole video

    96. Sir SloppyVids

      this is swaggersouls, you cant tell me its not lol

    97. Daryl Rinehart

      hey This Old Tony you should label the new buttons on the Maho with an R for release and a R for retract @16:32 that wat you can tell them apart.

    98. Kyle Moore

      Hey...you're almost at a million subscribers!

    99. Demonyah Ferguson

      You know I was watching this as I was brushing my teeth 😂

    100. DASLAB68

      Smooth Movie Ex-Lax. Great information on how to get the drives tuned. It lets people know what they may be getting into if they want to try something like this at Home. Keep up the good work.